Tuesday, August 24, 2010
Question of the Week (12/17/10)
What was the "injury" caused by Fortunado to Montresor? What could Fortunado have done to make his "friend" treat him this way? Use evidence from the text to support your answers. Post by the end of the school day on Tuesday and respond to a classmate's response. Enjoy your weekend.
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The injury caused by fortunado is unknown. I think that he could have done many things to Montresor. What is most likely is that he did something to his family. I think this because they went to Montresors familys grave also they were talking about Montresors family crest and Montresor said that they lived a good life. These two things make me think that he hurt Montresors family in someway or something like this.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Conor on many points, including the fact that the exact injury is unknown. I think that the mention of the family crest is a good point, along with the repeated use of the word impunity (it is also in the family motto). I also think that perhaps the mason reference has more to it than just foreshadowing the way Fortunato dies. I find it to be very odd and it disrupts the flow of the story. I also think that perhaps the type of death might have something to do with the injury. There are easier ways to kill someone than building a stone wall around them underground in the middle of the night, so I think Montresor must have had some reason to do this.
ReplyDeleteThe injury that Fortunato caused to Montresor must have been terrible. Being buried alive is a harsh punishment. I would guess that whatever Fortunato did, had to have happened multiple times and continuously hurt Montresor's pride. I think this because Montresor is a cunning man who carefully planed everything he did. He would not plan this due to one slight. It would take a significant amount of damage to cause him to do what he did. Also, Montresor displays a lot of sarcasm throughout the story. I think that every compliment Montresor gave might have been everything he hated most about Fortunato.
ReplyDeleteI completely agree with Natalie that Fortunato's death must have had some significant value that were not expressed in the story. The mason is very suspicious.
As readers, we are not told exactly what Fortunato did to Montresor. However, there are several clues that the author gives as the story goes on as to what may have happened between these two men. Like Conor, I think that it must have had something to do with Montresor's family. Conor's reasons and mine are very similar: in the last part of the story when Montresor is about to kill Fortunato, Montresor repeatedly makes references to his family and how good of a life they all lived. I think that by saying this, Montresor is not only giving hints to the reader, but also to Fortunato that he is angry about what happened to his family. Lastly, I agree with Nathalie about the fact that there are easier ways to kill someone than how Montresor chose to kill Fortunato. Clearly this was something serious.
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ReplyDeleteIt is not know what Fortunato has done to Montresor. All we know is Montresor is supposed to have borne "the thousand injuries of Fortunato"(169), which leads us t believe Fortunato has harmed not once, but numerous times. "We suspect it was something that severly angered him, given that he took revenge by burying Fortunato alive.Montresor speaks to 'his friend' with such malice once the trick is done, it is clear to see that Montresor feels Fortunato is guilty of doing something cruel. As Fortunato cries " For the love of God, Montresor!"(174). Montresor replies with "Yes.. forthe love of God!"(174). He has no pity or campassion. Mpontresor felt no guilt, "My heart grew sick-on account of the dampness of the catacombs"(174).
ReplyDeleteI agree with Tomas that Fortunato most likely did something that offended Montresor regarding his family. We can tell that Montresor feels a lot of loyalty towards his family, so even the smallest 'injury' caused to his family, or its reputation would put Montresor on edge.
We can only infer what Fortunato must have done to Montresor to make Montresor want to kill him. We know from the story that Montresor likes to make the person who insulted him feel the same way that he felt. Montresor used his masonry to kill his friend, so it could have been an insult about masonry. He also used wine to lure his friend into the trap, so that could have been part of it.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Tomas and Zola in that Fortunato probably insulted Montresor many times and it did seem like it had something to do with Montresor's family.
We never find out what Fortunato did to Montresor, but I think that it must have been really terrible if Montresor believed that he should die the way he did. Montresor was really mad at Fortunato, it wasn't just an impulse or hot temper that made Montresor want to kill Forutnato. He really thought out what he was going to do and how he would avoid being blamed. I agree with Nathalie that it might have had something to do with the masons because it doesn't really make a lot of sense in the context and Fortunato was surprised to hear that Montresor was in the masons.
ReplyDeleteI that the author leaves this question open on purpose. You could make a lot of guesses about this due to what the author tells you. I think that what fortunato did he didn't realize. He seems to be unaware of the animosity towards him. I think he didn't do anything major, but a lot of slights and small annoyances. I don't think fortunato directly caused the fall of montressors family, but montressor blames him for it anyway. It think if fortunato knew that he was hated he wouldn't have joined montressor. I thought that it might not have been fortunato that did something to him, but the mason club that fortunato was in. I think that because of the revenge of Montressor is unique. Since fortunato had likely taken part in this, montressor blamed him because he was close by. I agree with erica that what he complimented is probably what he disliked most, montressor seems like the type of person that enjoys irony.
ReplyDeleteIt was not told to us what Fortunato did, but we can infer it was terrible for the repayment was death. Montressor seems to be a man full of self regard, so I could reasonably assume that Fortunato did something to hurt his pride, or embarrassed him in some way. From the way Fortunato acted at the carnival it appeared as if he didn't do one thing in general, he was acting friendly and happy. If he had committed one serious offense I believe he would have seemed more of a nervous drunk around Montressor than a happy one. Because of this I think that Fortunator did many small annoying things over a period of time, that eventually caused Montressor to kill him.
ReplyDeleteI also agree with Jack when he says that the author purposefully didn't say what he did so we could make guesses as to what it was.
ReplyDeleteFortunato could have done a variety of things to make Montresor want revenge. What we can rule out are things that were very drastic because if Fortunato had done something so terrible, he certainly would not have been so friendly with Montresor. Maybe because the story clearly states that the men were united because of their love for wine, Fortunato insulted Montresor's taste for wine. Whatever happened, Montresor is a very sensitive man, it seems, so he would have been offended by even something small. We know he is intent on seeking revenge because of his family motto: Nemo me impune lacessit, meaning no one attacks me with impunity.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Araya when she says that wine was most likely a part of it because that's what Fortunato was lured into the trap with.
What Fortunato did to Montresor is never mentioned, but it must have been pretty bad for him to want to cause a lot of harm to Fortunato. I agree with Conor that it is most definitely something that he did to his family since Montresor obviously wasn't hurt in any way so it had to be something done to someone else that he cared about a lot. Also, when Montresor is friendly to Fortunato, he is really being sarcastic and trying to make the him think that they're friends when all he really wants is to get revenge. This shows that either they are actually friends which is very unlikely, or Montresor is so mad at Fortunato that he is doing everything in his power to make his life as miserable as possible in the end, and it will all be a surprise.
ReplyDeleteThe injury caused by Fortunado unto Montresor is unknown but we can deduct it was something that affected him deeply and was very terrible. It appears Montresor has an enormous sense of pride, so we can assume Fortunado did something to belittle him, damaging his pride. Because he feels the extreme need for revenge, the "injury" must have to been damaging. Maybe since he used wine as a lure for Fortunado, it had something to do with what caused this act of revenge. The main reason for this sense of revenge is his long family legacy, according to text. Their motto was: Nemo me impune lacessit, meaning no one attacks me with impunity. I agree with Nathalie that the mention of the family crest and the amount of times impunity is repeated, was good to add.
ReplyDeleteThe injury is unknown, it can only be asumed that the injury caused to Montresor by Fortunado was bad enough to make him seek revenge. The author does not tell us directly what it was that makes Montresor want revenge so badly. The author though leaves many clues as to what it may be most likely relating back to Montresors family. When Fortunado is about to kill Montresor he mentions multiple times how good his and his families lives were. It was most likely a way to make him feel jealous or show him that he was still upset with him. I agree with Tomas that he is doing that to give hints to the reader and to let Fortunado know that he is still angry.
ReplyDeleteThe injury from Fortunado to Montresor is not revealed in the story, but I can infer that it must have been an awful one. I think that it must have been something that had hurt him deeply or embarrassed him in the worst way. I believe this because of what Montresor did to Fortunado. Something so demoralizing must have happened to Montresor for him to commit such a cruel act. Also, the way he killed Fortunado makes me think that the injury must have been awful. Montresor had to have been very hurt by Fortunado for making him suffer so badly. I really liked what Cathleen said about how Montresor thought about the murder. I feel that this reveals that he really cares about the injury that was caused on him.
ReplyDeleteThe injury from Fortunado to Montresor is unknown but we can assume that it was awful (like John said). It was bad enough for Montresor to want to kill Fortunado to get even with him. We can infer that Fortunado must have done something very terrible to Montresor or he must have done many things to him to make Montresor kill him. I agree with Cathleen about how well Montresor must have thought out the murder. He knew exactly what he was doing and exactly how he was covering it up, so nobody found out he was the one who killed Fortunado.
ReplyDeleteLike other people said, the injury caused to Montresor by Fortunato is unknown, but it was definitely something that made Fortunato very angry. I think that manner in which Montresor chose to kill Fortunato shows how terrrible the greivance was. I agree that Fortunato most likely did something to the Montresor family, which is why Montresor made many references to his family toward the end.
ReplyDeleteWe don't know. But I think that there are many things that Fortunato could have done to provoke these injuries, and I think it would have to be something very mean, selfish, and all out horrible for him to be killed. Montresor says that fortunato insults him in the beginning, but I think it must have been to a group of people, like his family, or friends, or even Montresor's talents that Fortunato said that would provoke him to be murdered. I agree completely with Noah's idea of harming his family.
ReplyDeleteThe injury is unknown, but it was definitely bad enough for Montresor to want revenge. I agree with Connor that the injury had something to do with the Montresor family because of the many mentions of the family in the story. The family crest was a very good clue that the injury had to do with his family. I also agree with Cathleen that Montresor knew exactly how to perform and carry out this murder. He must have thought about it for a while and really wanted revenge.
ReplyDeleteThough the injury is never actually talked about in the text, It must have been something big, to anger Montresor that much. From the way Montresor represents his family you could infer that fortunado insulted montresor's family. Supporting facts are how the montresors family is large, and his name is well known, that suggests that Montresor is very proud of his family. I agree with everything Mattson said, about how he planned the murder, since he had all the tools hidden and had a crypt ready for Fortunado.
ReplyDeleteThe injury or maybe even injuries as Zola mentioned, wasn't said in the story. But it must have been horrible, because it hurt Montresor so much he buried Fortunato alive. I agree with many people who've said, Fortunato's "injury" might have had something to do with the Montresor family. I think this because Montresor mentioned his family toward the end of the story a lot, and also because of the catacomb reference.
ReplyDeleteI think that Montresor is delusional and has not had anything done to him. I suspect that he his imagining the pain that Fortunato has given him. Fortunato is fortunate, he has a better life than Montresor and I think that Montresor is jealous of Fortuanto's easy life. We know that Fortunato has not hurt Montresor in any way because Poe never tells us that he walks in a different manor or that he has bruises. Poe also doesn't go into the mental state of Montresor, which could mean that he is crazy and is just imagining the pain the Fortunato has conflicted on him. I agree with Connor and what he said about the injury having with Montresor's family, he does talk about the family crest a lot.
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ReplyDeleteThe reader is never told the exact injury that Fortunato gives Montresor. I'm guessing that it was a verbal injury, because in the beginning of the story, Montresor says that he was offended. He also talks about how his family lived "good lives" which leads me to think that Fortunato insulted his family in some way. Maybe even in a way that effected their lives in the end. I agree with Jeremiah when he says that Fortunato must have said or done something really bad, to make Montresor do something so drastic.
ReplyDeleteWe never know what the injury was that caused montresor's anger. All we know is that it must have been pretty mad to drive montresor to burying him alive. Also I think that there were more than one incidents "The thousand injuries of Fortunato" (Shakespeare 1). I think that maybe if Fortunato had stopped earlier he wouldn't be trapped in the cave. I agree with Matt's stament that Montresor was eventually delusional. I think he kind of lost it at the very end.
ReplyDeleteWe never find out what Fortunato did to make Montresor angry, but we can assume it was something terrible. I think it had to do something about his family because Montresor was so into the family quote. If this was not the case, and Fortunato did not do anything that bad, we can assume that Montresor is mentally ill. He is maybe crazy, and I agree with what Karthik and Matt had to say. The author intentionally does this to make the reader wonder, what could be so bad to make someone want to kill you?
ReplyDeleteWe don't actually know what Fortunado did to Montresor, however based on Montresors reactions, we can assume it was something very awful. I agree with Worthy when he said that it must have been something about Montresor's family because it is shown time and time again that Montresor is consumed with keeping up the family heritage. Another idea is that Montresor may be mentally ill. His harsh reactions seemed to me like overkill. If Fortunado didn't do something that terrible after all, then perhaps Montresor was overreacting. This is used as a tool by the writer as a way to build more suspense and wonder as the story progresses.
ReplyDeleteAlthough it never says in the book directly what Fortunado did to "injure" Montresor, we can assume from the text that he did something to deeply offend him. Montresor said that he was jealous of the happy life Fortunado once had, and that he was going to take this away from him. I can infer that whatever Fortunado said to Montresor was something that completely changed his life for the worse. I agree with Zola in that Fortunato did more than one wrong to Montresor, not just one offense.
ReplyDeleteThe injury caused by Fortunado to Montresor is unknown. However, we do know that whatever he did or said offended Montresor very badly. In my opinion, I think that Fortunado did something to offend or hurt Montresor family. I think this because Montresor brings Fortunado down to his families catacombs to kill him and they were talking about the montresor family crest. These two things could be clues to what Fortunado did.
ReplyDeleteI agree with matthew when he says that Montresor might also be jealous of Fortunado because of his easy life.
It does not say in the text what Fortunato has done to Montresor. But from the text i am guessing that it was a mental type of "abuse". Otherwise I feel as if Montreor would have done something more physically torturing. Instead he chose a more mental torture.I agree with Matt when he says that Montresor was disillusion.
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We don't know why Montressor gets upset at Furtunado. I think that Whatever Furtunado did to Montressor might have been bad but it certainly seemed like it wasn't terrible and I don't think that it justified killing him. I think that It might have had to do with insulting Montressors taste for wine because they are both wine lovers. I also might have had something t do with his familly because it is implyed that Montressor is proud of his family. I think that the insult was not very serious because Furtunado does not realize that he is mad.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Karthic that the author porpusefullt doesn't tell us what the crime was.
Even though we don't know how Montresor was injured, I can infer from the text that Fortuando offended Montresor's family. Montresor buried him alive and had no mercy. So obviously Fortuando did something really bad that hurt Montresor's feelings. Or maybe Montresor was overreacting in this situation. I agree with Caroline because it completely changed his life.
ReplyDeleteThe injury cause from Fortunado to Montresor is unknown. We can suspect that what ever Fortunado did insulted Montresor and his family. We can believe this because we know that Montresor is sensitive when it comes to his family. Also when it came time to kill Fortunado he took him down to his family Catacomb, and purposefully brought up his family crest.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Camille because it must have been a bad enough insult to make Montresor want to kill Fortunado.
"The thousand injuries of Fortunato I had borne as I best could,"(169), suggests that it was an accumulation of events, wounds or insults that rendered him to a state of desire for revenge. It could have been a number of things; perhaps something to do with moneymaking and wine, for that is mentioned throughout the story; perhaps it was a family centered dispute, the idea of the different specialists in fields, such as masons, stays within families. If there was more information on this topic, it also might lighten the reasoning behind why he killed Fortunato by enclosing him by way of Fortunato's own trade. I do not, however, think it had anything to do with love, or paramours of any sort. Poe's style of writing brings a daunting sense of creepiness and a dark mood. There is never a moment where this is lifted, with the exception of Montresor's crude humor when it comes to smiling and innocence. The idea that he has not a heart is also proven by his words, which Zola mentioned, in which he shows neither compassion nor guilt.
ReplyDeletethe injury is unimportant to the text, however it probably was an insult to montresors family, as his family is clearly an integral part of the story. It seems as if his family does not take insult lightly, as demonstrated by their family crest. In this, i agree with conor.
ReplyDeleteI think that Montresor may have done this because Fortunato may have insulted his family. I think this because he takes the family quote very seriously. I think that Montresor has no mercy because he does this action with no regrets. I think that Montresor may be mentally ill, crazy etc. because most people couldn't do something like this to a person without feeling bad about it.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Shawn that Montresor has no mercy because he does this to him. I think that he does this because he is crazy and that is why he feels no regrets.