Below are a number of questions directed toward comprehending and interpreting scene four. Find the quote that supports your answer(s) to the question, then paraphrase the quote in your own words. Answer TWO of the following questions and comment on a classmates' response. Posts are due by the end of the day on Tuesday. Enjoy your weekend.
Here is an example:
What are Creon's plans for Antigone? Why does he choose this for her death?
"Take her, go!
You know your orders: take her to the vault
And leave her alone there. And if she lives or dies,
That's her affair, not ours: our hands are clean" (227).
Creon commands that Antigone be entombed alive (buried alive), apart from everyone, to live or die. In this way he believes he will be innocent of her eventual death because he is technically not guilty of murder.
1) What final request does Antigone make, and to whom is she making it?
2) How would you characterize the chorus at this point? Why?
3) What does Antigone make reference to in her parting words to Thebes?
4) What does Antigone question in this scene?
1. Antigone requests that creons punishment equal her own.
ReplyDelete2. the chorus represents Thebes at this point
3. Niobe
4. who sinned, she or Creon
1. "but if the guilt/lies upon Creon who judged me, then, i pray, /may his punishment equal my own." (228)
ReplyDeletein this quote, Antigone is basically saying that id she is going to be punished and Creon has done the same wrong as she, for the Gods to punish him just as harshly as they do her. She realizes that she really did no wrong, and in her heart she does not want to be punished unjustly for something she did not do. She also knows that Creon is sinning by killing her, and she wants him to be punished as well and get repayment for his actions.
2. "she raced with young colts on the glittering hills/and walked untrammeled in the open light;/but in her marriage deathless Fate found means/to build a tomb like yours for all her joy." (230)
This line, spoken by the chorus, is talking about Antigone and is speaking about her poetically, in a way in which she is portrayed as a beautiful innocent woman who was then brought to her death too soon and unjustly. This suggests that the chorus is on Antigone's side, and that the chorus favors her as a whole. as a character, the chorus seems to be in favor of Antigone and agrees with her and the choragos when they say that Creon is being unjust.
Ben i don't really understand what your comment was about. When you say Niobe, who is she? i didn't answer that question because i wasn't sure who she represented. And i agree with you on the first question when you say that Antigone wants Creon to be punished equally as she. But i don't really understand what you meant when you said "the chorus represents Thebes at this point." Do you mean that they represent the people of Thebes? Because if so, then i think the people are definitely on Antigone's side on the matter, but cannot speak out because they are afraid of Creon and what they will do to them now that they've seen that he doesn't even have mercy on his own niece, and his son's fiancé.
1) "I shall know the truth in death. But if the guilt
ReplyDeleteLies upon Creon who judged me, then, I pray,
May his punishment equal my own."
Antigones last request is that Creon will have the same punishment that Antigone gets-which essentially is death. I think that she is asking the God's or Zeus if Creon will die and asking if he has equal punishment.
2) I think that the Chorus is representing Thebes, but also showing that the people of Thebes are unhappy with what Creon has decided to do. And that the people of Thebes are siding with Antigone and they think that Creon is really weak and they are not ok with his choice.
Umm...I can't really tell if I agree with ben.
I would elaborate on what you are trying to say. Because it's not totally clear.
1. "But if the guilt lies upon Creon who judged me, then, I pray, may his punishment equal my own." p. 228. Antigone's final request is for him to be punished unfairly as she was. She believes that Creon judged her doings unfairly and the gods should kill Creon for what he did.
ReplyDelete2. "She raced with young colts on the glittering hills and walked untrammeled in the open light: but in her marriage deathless fate found means to build a tomb like yours for all her joy." p. 230. I think that the chorus is representing Antigone because it shows how great Antigone's life was and that they are disappointed in Creons judgement just as Antigone is.
I agree with Anjali about how the Chorus portrays Antigone as a beautiful woman and brought to death before her time. Antigone doesn't deserve to die because she just buried her brother and Creon is bringing her to death to quickly.
1. "But if the guilt lies upon Creon who judged me, then, I pray, May his punishment equal my own." -Antigone, Scene 4
ReplyDeleteIn this quote, Antigone's last request is for Creon to be punished as she was, if he was wrong in his choice to entomb her.
4." And yet, as men's hearts know, I have done no wrong, I have not sinned before God. Or if I have, I shall know the truth in death. "
Antigone says that she has done nothing wrong. She says that she has not sinned by burying her brother, but if she has, then she will find out when she dies.(She'll know by the way she is treated. The greeks believed that if they displeased the Gods while they were living, then they would be punished after they'd died.
I agree with what Mattson said. I think the chorus has come to be more on Antigone's side. As they've seen Creon make mistakes and condem her to death, they have come to realize that Antigone was right in burying her brother. Also, Ben, What do you mean? It is hard to understand what you're trying to explain since you have no quotes to back up your ideas.
1) "But if the guilt
ReplyDeleteLies upon Creon who judged me, then, I pray,
May his punishment equal my own."
Antigone is preparing herself for a death that is neither enjoyable nor quick. She knows that what she is about to endure will be very hard, and her only consolation is that she did manage to bury her brother. She is saying that she wishes Creon has the same fate as her. One thing to note is that Creon did not do a single virtuous deed, so if he dies, he will not be as 'complete' as Antigone. Basically, Antigone is wishing that Creon has the same fate as she has. If that happens, it night actually end up being worse for Creon.
2)"she raced with young colts on the glittering hills
And walked untrammeled in the open light"
At first, what we decided about the chorus is that they are fiercely loyal to their country (Thebes) and not I think that their views have changed from believing that Creon is all good and that he wants the best for everyone, to seeing just how virtuous and how strong Antigone is. While the chorus is still loyal to Thebes, they are also highlighting how good a person Antigone is.
I agree with Anjali when she said that the chorus is representing her as innocent and that her death is unjust. I believe that the chorus is evolving their views about the king right along with us. I thank that Anjali hit it right on the nose when she said that the chorus might be on Antigone’s side. I think that the role of the chorus is to really steer our emotions about the book in one direction, that direction is to like Antigone and to abhor her death.
1. "But if the guilt
ReplyDeleteLies upon Creon who judged me, then, I pray,
May his punishment equal my own." P. 228
Antigone doesn't think she has done anything wrong and Creon should feel guilty for what he is about to have done. She thinks that his sins are bigger than her own, so he should be punished in the same way as she is. She is praying to the gods that they will get revenge for her after she is gone.
4. "And yet, as men's hearts know, I have done no wrong,
I have not sinned before God. Or if I have,
I shall know the truth in death." P. 227-228
Up to this point, Antigone has not thought twice about burying her brother. She never thought she did anything wrong by it. Now, she is saying that people shouldn't think she has done anything wrong, and in their hearts they should know she hasn't. She is saying now that, there is always the possibility that she has sinned, but she will know the truth of the matter after she dies by whether of not she goes to Heaven.
I agree with Anjali because the chorus makes Antigone seem graceful and poetic. If they were sided with Creon and Thebes, they would not have her portrayed in this was, as almost angelic, and seem regretful of her death to come.
2. "Reverence is a virtue, but strength lives in established law: that must prevail . You have made your choice, your death is the doing of your conscious hand"
ReplyDeleteI really realized in this quote how the chorus is taking sides. I know its been building through the play but until now I don't think the chourus had openly gone against Antigone, this is the first time they actually speak directly to her.
3. "How often I have heard the story of Niobe, Tantalous' wretched daughter, how the stone CLung fast about her, ivy-close: and they say the rain falls endlessly And sifting soft snow; her tears are never done. I feel he loneliness of her death in mine."
Antigone says these because there was once a woman who had died due to the same fate. The only different thing though as the chorus says is Niobe came form heaven but Anitigone is just a women and so she is dying with the honor of being the first women to die in this fashion.
Though I wish Ben had gone into more detail to explain his answers I do agree with them for the basis of the answer, Like my two answers were both based of of similar answers to his just more elaborate.
1. Antigone says, "And yet, as men's hearts know, I have done no wrong, I have not sinned before God. Or if I have, I shall know the truth in death. But if the guilt lies upon Creon who judged me, then, I pray, may his punishment equal my own." on page 227 and 228.
ReplyDeleteI think that she says to the gods that someone had judged her unfairly. and that she is about to die before her time. She asks the that if she has been judged unfairly that the one who judged her unfairly(in this case Creon) is punished equally.
3. I think that antigone makes refrence to Niobe on of the queens of Thebes. Niobe was married to Amphion(The founder of Thebes)and had 14 children. She bragged about them so much that she bragged about them during a ceremony for Leto,the dauther of the titans Phoebe and Coeus, and disrespected Leto by insulting her saying that she only had 14 kids(Apollo the God of Prophecies and Music and Artemis the virgin Goddess of the Wild.)So Leto sent her children to kill the children of Niobe. After they were killed, Amphion commited suicide.And then Niobe cradled her youngest daughter and fled to Asia Minor. There she was turned to stone and a river formed(the Achelous) because of her many tears she cried. Her cildren weren't buried properly for 9 days because the gods turned all the people in Thebes into stone and on the 10th day the gods buried her children.
Antigone compares herself to Niobe, because there is no one left in both of their families,and that they both are just left to die in solitude.
I agree with Jeremiah that even though both women had the same fate, since Niobe was the dauther of Tantalus and a goddess and Antigone was just the daughter of a king and queen there will always be a difference.
2."But I can no longer stand in awe of this,
ReplyDeleteNor, seeing what I see, keep back my tears.
Here is Antigone, passing to that chamber
Where all find sleep at last."
~Choragos, p.225
I agree that the Chorus has represented the citizens of Thebes throughout the play and have appeared to be loyal to Creon. But here they seem to be quite sympathetic to Antigone. I think this shows that while Thebes is distressed at Antigone's fate, they are too scared of Creon to say anything against him. This hints at possible unrest in Thebes after Antigone's death.
I am basically agreeing with Lindsy although I think that while the Chorus is loyal to Thebes, they are just to scared to do anything against Creon.
4.
"And yet, as men's hearts know, I have done no wrong,
I have not sinned before God. Or if I have,
I shall know the truth in death."
~Antigone p.227-228
I definately agree with Araya on this. Antigone says she has done no wrong and asks the people of Thebes (chorus) to realize in their hearts that she is innocent. I personally think that Antigone is being a little bit of a hypocrite here as she originally said at the beggining of the play that she did not care if she died, but now that it is actually happening, she has lost a lot of her nerve and is pleading her innocence with the Chorus and Creon. She is not saying she did not bury Polyneices, but she is protesting against doing anything deserving punishment. I understand why she would do this, it just is different from what she originally said she would do.
1. "But if the guilt lies upon Creon who judged me, then, I pray, may his punishment equal my own." p. 228.
ReplyDeleteAntigone is saying that what she did what wrong, but the reason she did it was right, and that Creon hasn't done one the for the right reason yet. Since this is true, Creon should suffer the same way that Antigone is going to. I think Antigone wants Creon to feel guilty for what he plans to do, and either change the punishment, or release her completely. Creon is so preoccupied with his power that he doesn't think twice before he acts. Therefore making some very bad decisions leading to killing his own niece.
4. Antigone is questioning if she "sinned before God," or if she did the right thing. She is also questioning if it was Creon who sinned, not her. At first she was convinced that she did the appropriate thing, but now she's doubting her actions because of how Creon reacted. I agree with Nathalie that Antigone is being a hypocrite, and first having no fears but now pleading with Creon for forgivness.
1) “I have not sinned before God. Or if I have,
ReplyDeleteI shall know the truth in death. But if the guilt
Lies upon Creon who judged me, then, I pray
May his punishment equal my own.”
Antigone doesn’t think that she disobeyed the Gods laws, and she asks the Gods for Creon to be punished for killing her when she didn’t do anything wrong.
2)“Reverence is a virtue, but strength
Lives in established law: that must prevail.
You have made your choice,
Your death is the doing of your conscious hand.”
The Chorus thinks that Antigone dug her own grave. They don’t support her going against the law because they believe that people must show loyalty to the king before their family. They support the King’s decision.
I disagree with Nathalie. I think that Antigone thought that she was doing the right thing from the beginning, and now she’s just trying to get the people of Thebes to agree with her. She didn’t want to die in the beginning; she just accepted that it would be a consequence of honoring her family.
1. "But if the guilt
ReplyDeleteLies upon Creon who judged me, then, I pray, may his punishment equal my own." p. 228.
Antigone is praying to the gods that when she is gone Creon will get punished for what he has done. Antigone thinks that what she did was right, and that Creon was the one who did the wrong thing. For that she thinks that Creon should be punished equaly for what he did to her.
I agree with sarah and what she said about how Creon is so preoccupied with his power that he doesn't think twice before he acts. I think that he should have thought more about the law to not let anyone bury Polyneices. If he thought about that more maybe none of this would have happened.
3."How often I have heard the story of Niobe,
Tantalos' wretched daughter, how the stone
Clung fast about her, ivy-close: and they say the rain falls endlessly
And sifting soft snow; her tears are never done.
I feel he loneliness of her death in mine." " P. 225
In this quote Antigone is saying that since there has been a women to die for the same types of reason that she feels close to this women, and to what she felt. The only thing is that Niobe is from the heavens unlike Antigone, and so Antigone is the only human women to die like this so she should feel honored.
1. "Then let me go, since all your words are bitter, and the very light of the sun is cold to me. Lead me to my vigil, where i must have Neither love nor lamention; no song, but silence."
ReplyDeleteAntigone is saying that she doesn't think she deserves to die anymore, she wants another chance.
2. Antigone questioned who sinned in this scene, her or Creon.
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ReplyDelete2: "reverence is a virtue, but strength lives in established law: that must prevail. You have made your choice, your death is the doing of your own conscious hand." I think that the chorus is not really sympathetic towards antigione, but not really with creon either. I think they're saying that you made your choice, you have to go with it, you knew what the punishment was.
ReplyDelete4: "you have touched it at last: that bridal bed unspeakable, horror of mother and son mingling: their crime, infection of all our family! O oedipus, father and brother! Your marriage strikes from the grave to murder mine. I have been a stranger here in my own land: all my life the blasphemy of my birth has followed me." I think that antigione is asking oedipus why she was ever born, almost as if she regrets living.
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2. Thebes is represented
ReplyDelete3. Niobe
CHORUS "You have passed beyond human daring and come at last
Into a place of stone where justice sits.
I cannot tell
What shape of your father's guilt appears in this." (226)
You Have done something beyond what humans do, and you have finally came. I can't tell how your father's guilt appears.
1.) "And yet, as men's hearts know, I have done no wrong, I have not sinned before God. Or if I have, I shall know the truth in death. But if the guilt lies upon Creon who judged me, then, I pray, may his punishment equal my own." p. 227-228
ReplyDeleteAntigone believes she didn't do anything wrong when she buried her brother so she is requesting that the gods punish Creon in a way no less terrible or fair than the way he punished her.
2.) I think the chorus is representing the whole city of Thebes throughout Ode 4.
I agree with Sofia about how Antigone prayed to the gods to let Creon be punished as unfairly as he punished her.
1. "I shall know no truth in death. But if the guilt lies upon Creon who judged me, then, I pray, May his punishment equal my own." p. 228 Antigone's last wish is that Creon dies the same way the she will. She wants him to be punished for punishing her. I agree with antigone about what should happen to creon.
ReplyDelete2. The chorus still represents Thebes but they are disagreeing with Creon. Which they weren't doing in the beginning
I agree with Mattson about Antigones last wish. I wish he would have talked more about what she wanted to happen to him. i think that his response was really good.
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ReplyDelete1.) Antigone's final wish is to have Creon's punishment be the same as her own which is death. This is shown on page 228 "But if the guilt lies upon Creon who judged me, then, I pray, May his punishment equal to my own."
ReplyDelete2.)I think that the chorus had characterized the feelings of the town's people, and they on her side for example, on page 226" Reverence is a virtue, but strength lives in established law: that must prevail.
Sofia: I agree with you, I think that Antigone is asking the Gods or Zeus, not the towns people, if her final request is for Creon to have the same punishment as her which is death.
sorry please read this one not the first one!
1. "But if the guilt lies upon Creon who judged me, then, I pray, may his punishment equal my own" p. 228
ReplyDelete-- Antigone asked the gods that, if Creon was wrong in sending her to her death; that he has the same punishment as hers in the underworld
2. "O passionate heart, unyielding, tormented still by the same winds!"
-- The chorus are sympathetic to Antigone's punishment, they do not agree with the broken law, but they understand that she did it because of love for her brother.
I agree with Rainie and Sofia, She was asking Zeus for her final request to be granted. However, I think that she was not asking for Creon to die, Antigone thought that she was to be punished in the underworld for her actions against the law and the curse of her birth. She does not think that she deserves to die and asked that Creon be punished the same as she for his judgement of her action.
2.) The chorus like most everyone said, is representing the people of the city of Thebes.
ReplyDelete"Reverance is a virtue, but strength lives in established law: that must prevail. You have made your choice, your death is the doing of your own hand."
This is speaking for the people of Thebes and how they feel on this issue.
3.) "How often I have heard the story of Niobe..." pg.225
Antigone is relating her current situation to that of "Niobe's".
I also agree with Cathleen because only after I wrote my answer I relize that they are almost identical. We both picked the same quote. We both feel this reflects the feelings of Thebes.
ReplyDelete2) At this point in the book the chorus and Choragos are sympathizing with Antigone and are saddened by her death sentence. The town of Thebes, represented by the Chorus, is mourning and says "But I can no longer stand in awe of this, nor, seeing what I see, keep back my tears. Here is Antone, passing to that chamber, where all find sleep at last." (225) I also agree with the quote Katie gave for this question and her interpretation. Although they don't agree with Antigone's actions, they are still sympathetic and probably respect her devotion to her family.
ReplyDelete4) Antigone seems to be questioning herself. She is wondering if the death sentence is a reasonable punishment for what she did and now if paying respect to her brother was really worth it. She says "since it was my hand that washed him clean and poured the ritual wine: and my reward is death before my time! And yet, as men's hearts know, I have done no wrong, I have not sinned before God." (227) She is doubting herself, and probably just realizing now what she got herself into. I agree with Sarah when she said that Antigone is also questioning if it was Creon who sinned and not her. I don't think Creon necessarily sinned, but he may have made the wrong choice in deciding to follow through with Antigone's death sentence.
1) " But if the guilt Lies upon Creon who judged me, then, I pray, May his punishment equal my own."
ReplyDeleteAntigone believes that what she did was no crime. She requests that Creon will realize that and will feel guilty. She wants him to feel the pain of what she went through.
4) "And yet, as men's hearts know, I have done no wrong. I have not sinned before God."
Antigone questions the decision made by Creon that touching Polyneices is wrong. She feels that what she did was the right thing to do and that she shouldn't be punished.
I really like what Zola said about how Antigone feels like she hasn't sinned, but if she has she will find out. I totally agree with what was said.
1) "I have not sinned before God. Or if I have, then I shall know the truth in death. But if the guilt lies upon Creon who judged me, then, I pray, may his punishment equal my own". (227-228)
ReplyDeleteAntigone is saying that she still believes she is innocent but that if she is wrong, then she will learn about it when she is dead. However, she says that if the Gods think Creon is guilty, then he should get the same punishment as she is going to get from him.
2)"Reverence is a virtue, but strength lives in established law: that must prevail. You have made you choice, your death is the doing of you conscious hand". (226-227)
I think that the chorus takes both sides. They see how from Thebes' point of view, Antigone could have prevented her own death but chose not to. In this quote they are saying exactly that: being reverant to your family is important, but following the law comes before. Antigone knew this all along and yet she decided to go ahead and bury Polenieces. They also understand how, from Antigone's perspective, burying her brother was more important to her than following the law.
I agree with Cathleen that Antigone knew all along that the consequence of honoring her family would be death. Ismene reminded her of this very often and she still didn't change her mind. Obviously, she understood what the consequence was from the very beginning.
1. "But if the guilt lies upon Creon who judged me, then, i pray, May his punishment equal my own" 228
ReplyDeleteHere, Antigone is wishing for Creon to suffer the same amount she has. She says that if he wrongly accused her, he should die as badly as she will. She is cursing Creon for what is going to do to her.
2. “A mortal woman’s, is this not for you glory in our world and in the world beyond?” 226
“You have made your choice, your death is the doing of your conscious hand.” 227
At this point, the chorus is siding with Creon. They scoff at Antigone and tell her that it was her own decision to defy the law- and she should suffer the consequences. They also think that she isn’t getting the worst punishment she could be getting because she will still be honored among the people of Thebes. On top of that, Antigone will be honored by the dead for burying Polynecies. The chorus respects their princess as they always have but has sided with their new king in this matter.
Tomas was very correct when he talked about how the city was still divided in their loyalty. They lean towards Creon by not taking action, but still believe in what Antigone believes in.
1) "But if the guilt Lies upon Creon who judged me, then, I pray, May his punishment equal my own." pg.228
ReplyDeleteAntigone is saying that even though Creon believes that what she did is wrong, other people will see that Creon has punished Antigone for the wrong reason. Now Creon will be hated and suffer just like Antigone.
2) "Reverence is a virtue, but strength lives in established law: that must prevail. You have made your choice, the death is the doing of your conscious hand." pgs. 226-227
The chorus is saying that this is Antigones fault that she is going to die. She is the cause of her own death and shouldn't blame others. Even though it is Creon that is punishing her, it it still her own fault for getting herslef in this situation.
I agree with John that Creon should feel guilty and go through the pain that Antigon is going through now. I agree with Jeremiah that the Chorus now seems to be taking sides between Antigone and Creon. It seems that they are mainly on Creon's side.
1) “ I shall know the truth of death. But if the lies upon Creon who judged me, then I pray, May his punishment equal my own.” page 228. Antigone accepts Creon’s punishment.
ReplyDelete2)At this point the chorus is the town of Thebes.
I agree with Cathleen because I too think that wasn’t the point to die it was that family is most important to Antigone. She accepts the punishment for trying to help her family and to remind Thebes of what matters most.
1. Antigone Is saying that she wants Creons death to be as bad as her's. "May his punishment equal my own." P.228
ReplyDelete2. The Chorus is not supporting Creon but is not supporting Antigone either. The Chorus is saying to Antigone that her death is her own fault. "Your death is the doing of your conscious hand." P.227
3. Antigone is saying that her family has made alot of mistakes in their lives, especially her father Oedipus. P.228 "You see me now the last unhappy daughter of a line of kings."
4. She is questioning the laws of Thebes because she could not bury her brother in the town. "You will remember what things I suffer, and what mens hands..." p.228
I agree with Sarah because Antigone is questioning what she had done wrong besides going against mans hands (the laws of Thebes).
ReplyDelete1. "But if the guilt lies upon Creon who judged me, then, I pray, may his punishment be equal to my own."
ReplyDeleteAntigone knows that she is being sentenced to a slow, terrible death by Creon. She knows, too, that she is innocent of committing any crime that should be punished by this harsh a punishment and that Creon is judging her unfairly with no chance of defending herself. Her last request is to Creon saying that since he was so unjust, he deserves to have the same punishment than her own.
4. "And yet, as men's hearts know, I have done no wrong, I have not sinned before God. Or if I have, I shall know the truth in death."
Antigone is questioning whether she actually committed any crime that the gods would have punished her for. She says that there are many men who agree with the fact that she has done no crime. Unfortunately, she knows that she will only have the chance to prove that fact when she sees where she ends up in the afterlife.
Shawn, I agree with your comment when you say that Antigone's final request was to be given another chance. I found that most of the answers to the first question were very similar to mine, but this one stood out to me because I did not see that many people chose to answer it the way you did. I believe that there are many right answers to all of these questions, and you did a good job finding Antigone's final request.
1. "But if the guilt lies upon Creon who judged me, then I pray may his punishment equal my own" When Antigone say this she means that not literally that Creon should be buried alive but metaphorically that he should suffer as much as she did.
ReplyDelete2. “She raced with young colts on the glittering hills and walked untrammeled in the open light" This quote represents that he chorus thinks that Creon is doing the wrong thing by burying her alive. The Chorus favors Antigone over Creon.
I agree with what Anjali said about the chorus representing her as innocent. She should not die for helping her dead brother.
What final request does Antigone make, and to whom is she making it?
ReplyDelete“look upon me, friends, and pity me turning back at the nights edge to say good-bye to the sun that shines for me no longer”
To me, it seems like Antigone just wants attention for what she’s done. If she was really only doing for her brother, she would’ve said something about how her brother now rests respectfully, but instead it was about how people should be pitying her for a fate she chose for herself and could’ve easily avoided it.
What does Antigone question in this scene?
“And yet, as men’s hearts know, I have done no wrong. I have not sinned before God. Or if I have, I shall know the truth in death. But if the guilt lies upon Creon who judged me, then, I pray, may his punishment be equal to my own”
It seems to me that in this quote Antigone is doubting if the law Creon has set, is really just. She is asking who is the one who has really sinned? Was it her for going against the law, or was it Creon for setting the law and sentencing her to death. She says that if it was her, she is truly getting the right punishment, and if it is Creon, she hopes he gets a good punishment in the end.
I don’t agree with Anjali when she says “She realizes that she really did no wrong” because it seems to me in this quote, she doesn’t really know which one is right, she just hopes that if it isn’t her sin, that Creon pays for it later.
1. "But if the guilt lies upon Creon who judged me, then, I pray, may his punishment be equal my own." 228
ReplyDelete- Her final "request" is that Creon will get what he deserves. She knows that he is a harsh and mean person the will eventually have come right back to him. "what goes around comes around."
4. "You laugh at me. Ah, friends, friends, Can you not wait until I am dead?"
-I think in this scene she is questioning who really loves her and who she really loves. if your own family will do this to you who wouldn't.
-- I agree with what erica says in her first responce. She says shat antigone dies in a harsh and difficult way and hope that he will to. I think that is exactly what is going through her mind.
1.“Thebes, and you my father’s gods, and rules of Thebes,...You will remember what things I suffer, and at what men’s hands, because I would not transgress the laws of heaven.”
ReplyDeleteAlthough I agree with what everyone stated as Antigone’s last request, (“...I pray may his punishment equal my own...”) I dare to be different and sought out possibly another one. In this final message from Antigone I felt as though she is asking that Thebes do something about her punishment. To take something from this and remember or realize that the people behind this unfairness are their leaders, their kings!
When she says “...at what men’s hands...” I think back to when Creon said “ ...our hands are clean.” Antigone is blaming Creon and in her next statement she implies that Creon is the one going against what is moral or expected from the heavens. I think she just wants Thebes to note this and either justify the means or make sure it doesn’t happen again.
4. Combined with my said quote above and this one; “O Thebes,...be witness for me, denied all pity, unjustly judged!” I come to believe that Antigone is questioning and challenging Thebes on where their loyalties lie. Is it with their new king, who has ‘unjustly judged’ or with a long-time patriot of Thebes? It could even go as far as if they are on the side that would do the moral thing and go by the laws of the gods instead of those from a king who is new and merciless. I am not sure of the answer myself. At some points Thebes seems to be totally on the side of Creon and at others on Antigone’s side. I agree with Mattson though saying how they are disappointed in the king’s judgement; A good theme that no one has mentioned yet, the disappointment.
1) What final request does Antigone make, and to whom is she making it?
ReplyDelete"But if the guilt lies upon Creon who judged me, then, I pray, May his punishment equal my own."
In this quote, all Anitgone wants for her last request is to have Creon be chastised the way she was. For him to learn that what he is doing to her is wrong.
4) What does Antigone question in this scene?
"And yet, as men's hearts know, I have done no wrong. I have not sinned before God."
Yet, Antigone knows she has done no wrong. Burying her brother was not considered bad in her opinion. But, she knows that when she dies she will find out exactly how the gods felt about her and her decisions. Antigone says this because the Greeks thought that the gods controlled their afterlife.
I agree with Caroline when she talked about how she wasn't sure if Antigone thought through what exactly she was doing. At the time she didn't fully understand the consequences, or death. She might have got herself into a bigger mess than she had first predicted.
"But if the guilt lies upon Creon who judged me, then, I pray, May his punishment equal my own."
ReplyDeleteI think that this all Antigone is saying is that an eye for an eye is how things work. If she is to be put into a tomb to die while she is still alive, than his punishment should be just as bad. It seems like an eye for an eye is the normal way to do things in that time.
"And yet, as men's hearts know, I have done no wrong. I have not sinned before God."
Antigone knows that she did the right thing in the eyes of the people of her city. She got what it seemed that she kind of wanted all along, martyrdom. She didn't die in the act, but it seems that she is going to die for an action that she thought was right. Now she is just waiting for the opinion of the gods.
I agree with Bella's statement that Antigone is questioning the loyalty of the people of Thebes. She does seem to want to know if they will side with her or with the cold-hearted king who has handed her an unfair punishment for breaking his unfair decree.
1. "I shall know the truth in death. But if the guilt Lies upon Creon who judged me, then. I pray, May his punishment equal my own." p.228
ReplyDeleteAntigone knows that she has done no wrong. Her final request is that somehow Creon feels what he is putting her through, and the pain he has put others through.
4. "I have not sinned before God. Or have I," p.227
Antigone starts to question her actions. At first she thought the right thing to do was burry her brother, but now she is thinking that she could have sinned against god! She questions if she did the right thing.
I agree with Sydney when she said that Antigone starts to question who really loves her, and who she really loves. Because if her own family is willing to kill her, I bet others are too.
1. "But if the guilt lies upon Creon who judged me, then, I pray,
ReplyDeleteMay his punishment equal my own." This is said by Antigone and her last request is that Creon is to suffer the same as her, which is death. She is requesting this of the gods.
2. "And yet, as men's hearts know, I have done no wrong, I have not sinned before God. Or if I have, I shall know the truth in death." This is also said by Antigone and she is saying that if she has really done wrong and committed a crime, she would be punished by the gods. she is questioning if she has done the right thing or not.
I agree with Noah about how it was sort of like martyrdom. She knew that the end result was death but she did it for something she believed in and accepted the consequence.
1. "May his punishment be equal to my own" Antigone requests that Creon's punishment is equal to her own
ReplyDelete2."I have done no wrong, I have not sinned before god" Antigone knows she has done no wrong
After going through comments I noticed that many people said the same thing I did on the first question, but shawns was different, he said that Antigone wanted to live. It was a completely different view from my own, but i agree
Creon plans to kill antigone, as he said that who ever bury her brother would be punished by death. After Haimon had an argument with Creon then Creon started to change his mind, and feels guilty for what he has decreed.
ReplyDeleteAfter he had his argument with Haimon he felt guilty for his actions, so he locked her in a cell instead of killing her.
1) The final request that Antigone makes is that creon suffer as much or more then she does which mean die or something worse. "But if the guilt Lies upon Creon who judged me, then, I pray, May his punishment equal my own." P. 228
ReplyDelete2) I think that in this scene the chorus has decided to take sides with Antigone and has decided that Creon is making a mistake. on page 225 they say "But I can no longer stand in awe of this, Nor, seeing what I see, keep back my tears. Here is Antigone, passing to that chamber Where all find sleep at last" A key word in this quote is tears, this shows that the chorus feels bad for Antigone and they do not want her to die.